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Bosch 1591 Jigsaw

So I bought a 1591 around 10 years ago and the damned thing has been an absolute work horse. It has great guides, decent power, and the barrel grip feels perfect in the hands. In my opinion (and many others), it’s the one of the best jigsaws ever made… It’s a classic.

Anyway, it’s a long story but I ran over my 1591 with my truck a few months back…. The result was a functional jigsaw with a cracked case. And, of course, Bosch has discontinued the 1591.

The top of the line replacement for the 1591 has been reviewed really well, but I didn’t want to spend that kind of money. So, I hit eBay and found a decent NOS unit for $125… And I guarantee there isn’t a $125 jigsaw on the market that can compare.

Anyway, I still have my eBay alarm set and this morning a used saw popped up for under $100. If you are in the market, you won’t be sorry.

Check it out.

Note: I have no affiliation with the auction. This saw could be a mess… OR, it could be a great deal. Either way, if you need a jigsaw watch eBay for a 1591.

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What can I say? I'm so sorry for your loss.

I really don't think there's anything comparable to the 1591 EVER. Unless you prefer the top handle, and then you want a 1590. I happen to have both, but I'm a barrel grip person myself, and don't mind the loss of the variable speed trigger too much.

So what cracked on your 1591? Would a doner 1590 (which is much easier to find on eBay and in pawn shops) work to get it back into service?
 
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What can I say? I'm so sorry for your loss.

I really don't think there's anything comparable to the 1591 EVER. Unless you prefer the top handle, and then you want a 1590. I happen to have both, but I'm a barrel grip person myself, and don't mind the loss of the variable speed trigger too much.

So what cracked on your 1591? Would a doner 1590 (which is much easier to find on eBay and in pawn shops) work to get it back into service?

The case around the power cord entry... It's cool though. I found a NOS one on ebay.
 

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Not sure what model number I have ,mine looks earlier than the one pictured but its one of the best made tools I own.The barrell style feel great in your hand and offer excellent control.
 

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The only Bosch tools I have are the top handle version of this saw and their original corded multipurpose oscillating tool. They are both awesome and make me grin every time I get to use one of them. Unlike my crappy Craftsman “Limited Edition” portable table saw. I grit my teeth every time I have to use that POS.
 

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I have watched your festool videos over the past year. From your videos, and reading a lot of reviews, I have since started upgrading my power tools to festool. They truly are amazing. Just curious if you have tried the festool jigsaw.
 

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I have watched your festool videos over the past year. From your videos, and reading a lot of reviews, I have since started upgrading my power tools to festool. They truly are amazing. Just curious if you have tried the festool jigsaw.

From what I can tell, the Trion is inferior to the Bosch in every way. The Carvex has a brushless motor and a neat strobe light, but I was convinced in another thread here (not Ryan's though), that I should stick with my Bosch.
 
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I have watched your festool videos over the past year. From your videos, and reading a lot of reviews, I have since started upgrading my power tools to festool. They truly are amazing. Just curious if you have tried the festool jigsaw.

I have not tried the Festool jigsaw... I use festool mostly for dust collection due to the environment I'm in. Because of the nature of a jig saw, dust collection is gonna suck pretty much no matter what ya try so the Festool premium wasn't worth it to me.

I have, however, read that the Festool Carvex isn't quite as good as the Bosch offering... But again, I've never used one.
 

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I have had my barrel grip Bosch since the early 80’s. It’s been used and abused for many many years. I need to replace the cord as it is cracking now. Just used it for a new use in January. I was reupholstering some dining room chairs for a friend and she bought 2” thick foam for the seats instead of the original 3/4” foam. I knew I would not be able to cut that nicely with a knife or scissors but I remembered some knife blades for the Bosch jigsaw I had from a multi-blade assortment. Turning off the oscillating feature and spraying some silicone spray on the blade it sliced clean and smooth even allowing me to slice slivers when I cut outside my line.
Still love, love, love that saw.
 

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I've basically stopped using my cheap B&D jigsaw, because I hate it so much. Can't do any kind of cut without the blade bending - and I don't think the blades are the problem. It's either the operator, or the saw......and I'm more inclined to believe it's not me.

I need to get one of these....
 

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Ryan, what did you do with your old broken jigsaw. If you haven't got rid of it, I'd be interested in buying it from you.
 

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Thanks for the different perspectives, I rarely use a jig saw only because the one I had was a piece of crap. I have been thinking about trying something better.
 

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Thanks for the different perspectives, I rarely use a jig saw only because the one I had was a piece of crap. I have been thinking about trying something better.

Using the Bosch after using a crappy jig saw is like eating filet mignon after living on Spam. There is NO vibration, the speed control is like butter, just a pleasure to use.
 

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Well, supposedly the dust collection on the Festool jigsaws is pretty impressive.

It's not. He's right, it's a jigsaw, plenty of dust get's littered about with my carvex.
 

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The 1590 and the 1591 are the best construction jigsaws ever made. Not sure the JS572 is as good, certainly not better. When Bosch discontinued them, I could only find 1 new 1591 but Lowes was discontinuing the 1590 so I bought 6 of those. I have the dust extraction add on for those and use them occasionally. The collection isn't bad. About the same as the Festool Trion 300 on dust collection. I can't recall if the Carvex is better. It is one of only two Festools I've returned under their 30 day satisfaction guarantee.

Also have a Festool Trion Barrel, which I prefer for fine work over the 1591, primarily due to lighter weight. Still prefer the 1590 D handle Bosch over the Trion 300 D-Handle as the Bosch has the variable speed trigger UP to the speed set on the dial whil the Trion only has soft start and the speed set on the dial.
 
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looking around I found these two videos, interesting...

The 1591 has a plastic sole plate you can put on that would reduce tearout a little, or the zero clearance insert (I generally use mine right on the metal base with neither, as I don't tend to have these issues). The rest is about using the correct blade technique, and correct orbit, speed, and feed for the situation. If the situation calls for it, I can always lay some blue tape over the cut line too.

Also, for top side tearout concerns, there are down cut blades made specifically for this purpose.
 
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What accounts for the difference - RPM's? What speed is each unit running?

In the first video you can see a zero clearance insert on the base of the Bosch, however, it's not flush with the work surface, there is a plastic cover over the base that raises the zero clearance insert above the work surface. It's no longer acting as a zero clearance. He probably needs to remove that plastic cover on the base in order to do a true apples to apples test. The fact that he didn't point it out at all tells you all you need to know about the reviewer.
 

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Thanks for the different perspectives, I rarely use a jig saw only because the one I had was a piece of crap. I have been thinking about trying something better.

Using the Bosch after using a crappy jig saw is like eating filet mignon after living on Spam. There is NO vibration, the speed control is like butter, just a pleasure to use.

Bosch 1590 here. The barrel-grip saws just never seemed to feel 'right' to me and my hand, top handle on the 1590 feels fine to my hand.

I have been known to grab that saw and use it instead of a circular saw. Quieter, almost as fast at cutting IIRC (close enough that the cutting speed wasn't an issue at all to me), less sawdust spewing around compared to the circular saw too :lol: .

Using a 'good' tool to do a task is a HUGE difference compared to using a crappy tool.

The 1591 has a plastic sole plate you can put on that would reduce tearout a little, or the zero clearance insert (I generally use mine right on the metal base with neither, as I don't tend to have these issues). The rest is about using the correct blade technique, and correct orbit, speed, and feed for the situation. If the situation calls for it, I can always lay some blue tape over the cut line too.

Also, for top side tearout concerns, there are down cut blades made specifically for this purpose.

1590 has the plastic sole cover as well. I think I used mine once or twice. It's not for tear-out purposes, it's to prevent or minimize possible scratching of the workpiece (think laminate counter and cutting out for the sink) from the metal sole plate of the saw.

And on the topic of using a 'good' tool, use GOOD blades too.

The Bosch ground tooth blades (Swiss ? IIRC) are among (if not THE) best for cutting 'soft' things (meaning non-metal things). There may be other brands that are good, but those Bosch blades are so good that I haven't bothered to look for or try any others to see if they match up.

Before the 1590 and the Bosch blades, I HATED to use a jigsaw.

1590 with the appropriate Bosch ground-tooth blade makes me LIKE to use that jigsaw.
 
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Those Swiss blades are really amazing. When they introduced the japanese tooth style blades to jigsaws, it was a real game changer.

You're absolutely right about the sole plate. I was only saying that anything that reduces the clearance around the blade (and IIRC, the no-mar plate kind of clicks in there) helps a little. It's not zero clearance, though that series of saw does have such an insert too. And that much is interchangeable between the 1590 and 1591 as well, as they're pretty much the same tool, excepting the handle.
 

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In the first video you can see a zero clearance insert on the base of the Bosch, however, it's not flush with the work surface, there is a plastic cover over the base that raises the zero clearance insert above the work surface. It's no longer acting as a zero clearance. He probably needs to remove that plastic cover on the base in order to do a true apples to apples test. The fact that he didn't point it out at all tells you all you need to know about the reviewer.

Interesting...
The vidiographer didn't guide the saws the same way in each trial, either. Using the Bosch, he had his right hand on the base plate (maybe elevating the front of it?) For the Festool run, he didn't do that.

Also obvious that he got the result he was expecting on the Bosch run, as evidenced by his response at the end of the run.
 

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I'm in the beginning stages of adding an addition to my home for my mom. I plan to build the cabinets for the kitchen as well as build new cabinets for the kitchen in the main house. I never really thought I would use a jig saw (not too good of experiences with the older one I have). I think one would come in handy for the base cabinets notches. I'm really liking the reviews on both the Bosch and the Festool. Thanks for all of the input guys!
 

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I have the D handle 1590 EVS. At the time when I bought it, it was the best jigsaw ever made, with the most respected reputation in real life, as well as the highest scores in magazine and online reviews at the time. Little did I know back then that it would STILL be the best jigsaw ever to have been made, even today.

In Roy Berendsohn's comparison review published in Popular Mechanics in April 2010, the six "biggest and toughest jigsaws we could find" were gathered and pitted against each other... cutting both wood and steel.. in a face off test, with all saws using a fresh copy of the same brand (Lennox) blades. https://www.popularmechanics.com/home/tools/reviews/a5531/jigsaw-comparison-test/

The testing at Popular Mechanics resulted in a "clear winner and some close contenders." The clear winner was the Bosch 1590EVS. As an example, even though the Festool PSB 300 EQ claimed a spec of 2900 strokes per minute, while the Bosch topped out at 2800 spm, the Bosch was able to crosscut through 4" of 3/16" thick steel in 25.4 seconds, while it took the faster stroking Festool almost twice as long, at 42.3 seconds, to make the same length cut in the same thickness and type of material.

So tool effectiveness isn't just about how fast the stroke is.

The 1590 and 1591 were made in Switzerland, and these jigsaws operate with the precision and reliability of a Swiss watch. The D handle version of this jigsaw (the 1590) is also made like a Swiss Army knife, with a comprehensive feature set on board that has no rival... including

- an adjustable dust blower for keeping the cut line clear (no vacuum needed)

- an available vacuum port chute that installs and removes quickly without tools

- an available clear plastic shield to increase the effectiveness of the vacuum chute

- four settings of orbital blade cutting action

- six settings for speed, on an easy to read dial positioned away from accidental changes

- full travel variable speed trigger that provides finger sensitive variation up to the limit of each speed setting. Speed dial setting 1 is variable from 0-500 spm, Speed dial setting 2 is variable from 0-800 spm, and so on, until Speed dial setting 6, which is variable from 0 to 2800 spm. So for each speed dial setting, there is still soft start, and still infinite trigger actuation variability, within each of the six settings of final stroke speed at the end of trigger travel.

- stroke per minute range of 500 to 2800 spm

- trigger lock on button on both left and right side of handle for ambidextrous operation

- a one button quick ejection of the T mount blade (hot blades can be released and dropped out of tool without burning fingers from touching blade)

- tool free blade insertion and lock,

- dual directional 45 degree bevel capability left and right with positive lock detents,

- tool free quick release base plate bevel activation and retention

- base plate back shift mode for to clear obstructions in close quarters

- a replaceable, snap in, snap out, two position (narrow and wide blade) anti splintering zero clearance insert

- a replaceable, snap on, snap off anti surface marring protective base/sole plate cover

- an effective internal counterbalancing anti vibration mechanism

- all cast metal case housing for mechanisms, nose, and base plate bevel assembly

- overmolded comfort grip handle

- "Precision Control" blade guidance that not only includes a grooved back bearing, but also includes two metal fingers positioned at each side of the blade that reach down immediately above the cutting plane to help prevent lateral deflection of the blade

- a 6.4 amp (120v) motor, among the most powerful motors available in a jigsaw

- soft start motor to reduce reactionary full amp starts that unnecessarily wear out internal parts

- fully automatic constant response load and current sensing circuitry that monitors the motor and appropriates power as needed to maintain the selected blade speed for the load applied. In my usage, the blade has never bogged down or stopped. It just works.



Switzerland is home to Scintilla, AG, the company that introduced the modern day shape and form factor of the jigsaw to the world 75 years ago. While it has been disproven that Scintilla's Listo jigsaw of 1944 was the very first jigsaw invented (patents from the 1930's demonstrate that the idea existed prior to Swiss toolmaker Albert Kaufmann attaching a section of scroll saw blade to his wife's sewing machine), there is little doubt that Scintilla, later acquired by Bosch, established the market for the production of jigsaws, making them portable and palatable in commercial and common use. The Swiss also set and continually raised the bar on how jigsaws should be made, and the Bosch 1590EVS and 1591EVS is likely the highest that bar ever got.

Today, the overwhelming majority of Bosch tools sold in the USA market, including Bosch's two most popular and common jigsaws, are all made in China. This includes "The Saw Guy's" top choice in jig saws for 2019... the Bosch JS470E 120V 7amp top handle model. While barrel grips were not compared, the corresponding barrel grip version of this Bosch jigsaw is the JS470EB. Both models are Made in China. Still, Bosch lands at the top of the heap of the six jigsaws that TheSawGuy compared this year.

A more affordable Bosch jigsaw model, the JS260, is also Made in China. At about half the price of the JS470E family, the JS260 lacks a lot of the key features that make the nicer Bosch jigsaws such a joy to use. For example, the JS260 requires an allen wrench to do stuff to it. Once you've experienced a one button blade drop and a toolless blade swap, using an allen wrench seems is like having to get out of the car and walk up to the radiator to crank start the engine. In the pouring rain. While sloshing though two feet of snow. Facing down hill. I'll take a used 1590/91 thank you.

Bosch's current top of the line near equivalent to the Swiss made 1590/91 series is their latest JS572EK top handle and JS572EBK barrel grip jigsaws, both models last known to made in Hungary (unless production of these two models has shifted to China recently). Every Bosch tool and accessory that I've purchased in the last 3 years has been made in China, which is quite different from twenty years ago.
 

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I have both top handle and barrel grip Bosch jig saws, and have been using various Bosch jig saws professionally for decades.

Their blades are also superior. Though they make excellent down-cutting blades, I often use a standard up-cutting blade, but cut with the machine held beneath the material while watching the cut on the finish side of the workpiece. Takes a little getting used to, but there is virtually no sawdust to obscure the cut line.
 

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My contribution to this thread is going to travel even further into the Bosch way-back time machine. In the 1980's I was a young outside sales rep for a local industrial supply distributor. Bosch had just introduced the 1581-VS jig saw, and our factory rep brought one in to demonstrate for us. He didn't have to say much, because the tool did all the talking when he made a fast plunge-cut into a hardwood board, then cut through it like butter when he kicked on the (new at the time) orbital-action feature. Even our old-timer seen-it-all sales guys were impressed. Over the next few months I took that jig saw and a piece of scrap hardwood into every industrial and contractor account in my territory. I literally sold hundreds of them by duplicating the hands-on demonstration of the Bosch rep. The 1581-VS was truly a ground-breaking best-in-class jig saw at the time. Also, that tool demonstration opened doors for me that had been previously closed, and I got a lot of other new business as a result.
 

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I have had my barrel grip Bosch since the early 80’s. It’s been used and abused for many many years. I need to replace the cord as it is cracking now. Just used it for a new use in January. I was reupholstering some dining room chairs for a friend and she bought 2” thick foam for the seats instead of the original 3/4” foam. I knew I would not be able to cut that nicely with a knife or scissors but I remembered some knife blades for the Bosch jigsaw I had from a multi-blade assortment. Turning off the oscillating feature and spraying some silicone spray on the blade it sliced clean and smooth even allowing me to slice slivers when I cut outside my line.
Still love, love, love that saw.
I used that knife blade on my Bosch barrel grip,to cut some denser black foam I got from the foam guy at the flea market, to replace a seal under the hood of my car. It made a very clean cut. The pros use a thing that looks a cross between an electric kitchen carving knife and a jigsaw. It has two blades moving in opposite directions. I have been told the D grip sells better but most here, like me, say they like the barrel grip. I wonder why the other one sells better. The only advantage is instant trigger speed control vs the dial. I got mine at at a woodeorking show where Bosch had them both set up for you to try. The better control of the barrel grip is what sold me.

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Not so. The D-handle provides for easier single handed operation. Also it is shorter and so can get into tighter spots.

Huh? The barrel grip is shorter, and I prefer one handing the barrel to the D. But it's all just a matter of personal preference.
 

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I've had a 1587 for a while now (since 1997), one of the first 'real' tools I bought. It has, and continues to perform flawlessly. Having said that, I've never really liked the blade change process; it just feels 'clunky'. I did replace the plug last fall, but that has been the only maintenance required.

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I just picked up an 18V JSH180B, so wear and tear on the 1587 will be slowed a bit. If I ever have to replace it I will try the barrel grip version; I like the looks of the JS572.
 

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After reading all these posts and remembering using a carpenters Bosch jigsaw once for a cut and how impressed I was with it (did not look for a model number) at the time I will be keeping an eye out for one, thanks for all the information and input from everyone :)
 

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I have the predecessor model of the barrel grip saw, I have used it for well over 30 years, and it has never let me down. When it finally does die, I'll be getting a 1591. GREAT saw
 

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Whoa... just looking at Trapps photos of the 1587 above, combined with Trapps comments about blade changing, it is clear that Bosch made small but significant improvements in the successor 1590/91 model over the predecessor 1587 model.

Speed control is one such change. Having the speed control dial on the trigger, as in the 1587, is awkward... because you have to lift the tool away from the work in order to see the numbers on the dial, as the dial faces downward. It is also vulnerable to inadvertent change during the act of pulling the trigger.

The 1590 removes the dial from the trigger, and places the dial on the back of the tool, where it cannot be accidentally dialed out of adjustment, and so the speed number can be seen and adjusted with the other hand without removing the tool from the work to see the number it is dialed in at.

I hadn't noticed this difference until just now. In fact, I've often though I had a 1587 jigsaw, because the 1587 was such a bellweather model number for so many years. Not unlike the Porter Cable 126 planer, or the Skilsaw Model 77 worm drive, or the Speedbloc 330 finish sander... the Bosch 1587 jigsaw was at one time the construction carpenter's dictionary definition of jigsaw. But it appears that the 1590/91 series improved on it.

Blade changes are a breeze with the 1590/91. One button. Pop and drop. Click the new blade in, Done.

It is also
 

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I have had my 1590 for 10 years now, and its best tool I have owned, in My kitchen reno which I still need to write up some day, I cut the sink hole for an under mounted sink in 1.5 inch Maple butcher block, used fresh bosch blade and it came out nearly flawless. Try cutting an oval in 1.5" maple with a cheap jigsaw, not going to happen.
 
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